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		<title>by: Beany</title>
		<link>http://beancounter.blogsome.com/2008/06/18/kerala/#comment-497</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 20:07:26 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Sorry natalie. Not sure what happened since I've notified the software to email me the comment no matter what is posted. 

I'm sure it was brilliant and insightful. :) Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Sorry natalie. Not sure what happened since I&#8217;ve notified the software to email me the comment no matter what is posted. </p>
	<p>I&#8217;m sure it was brilliant and insightful. <img src='http://beancounter.blogsome.com/wp-images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Thank you.
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		<title>by: natalie</title>
		<link>http://beancounter.blogsome.com/2008/06/18/kerala/#comment-496</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 18:11:20 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>I just wrote a very lengthy slightly off topic comment.  And it was eaten.  Gone.  I'm not sure it was brilliant, but I think you would have appreciated it.  Sorry.  No energy or time to recreate it!  :-)

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I just wrote a very lengthy slightly off topic comment.  And it was eaten.  Gone.  I&#8217;m not sure it was brilliant, but I think you would have appreciated it.  Sorry.  No energy or time to recreate it!  <img src='http://beancounter.blogsome.com/wp-images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />
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		<title>by: Beany</title>
		<link>http://beancounter.blogsome.com/2008/06/18/kerala/#comment-495</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 15:02:17 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Sue: While I already did make somewhat of a generalization of an entire state...I don't want to keep at it.

I'm trying to find the right way to say this...but blindly praising a culture without an in depth look at it cannot yield any reliable conclusion. For example, reading history shows that our ancestors were not necessarily bright nor did they care much for earthly resources enough to be kind to them. But I used to pine for those days not realizing that I would be just as annoyed living in the so called good old days as I am now. 

I am starting to believe in the idea (even though I dislike it) that some level of homogeneity is necessary for any level of success in a society. When there are too many outlying/unexpected factors it results in friction. In my limited readings and experiences this rules seems to hold true. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Sue: While I already did make somewhat of a generalization of an entire state&#8230;I don&#8217;t want to keep at it.</p>
	<p>I&#8217;m trying to find the right way to say this&#8230;but blindly praising a culture without an in depth look at it cannot yield any reliable conclusion. For example, reading history shows that our ancestors were not necessarily bright nor did they care much for earthly resources enough to be kind to them. But I used to pine for those days not realizing that I would be just as annoyed living in the so called good old days as I am now. </p>
	<p>I am starting to believe in the idea (even though I dislike it) that some level of homogeneity is necessary for any level of success in a society. When there are too many outlying/unexpected factors it results in friction. In my limited readings and experiences this rules seems to hold true.
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		<title>by: Sue in the Western Great Basin</title>
		<link>http://beancounter.blogsome.com/2008/06/18/kerala/#comment-494</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 11:10:20 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>I have no direct connections to India, and have only heard of Kerala in just the way you mentioned -- as a highly-esteemed example of how a society can meet people's basic needs while minimizing excess resource use.  There is never any discussion (that I have read) about what socio-cultural factors are at work in Kerala that might contribute to the accomplishments of the places but also be really unacceptable to other cultures.  You have brought up a really important concept!  I would be very interested in hearing whether you think that Kerala's successes are somehow a result of their high levels of cultural and social restrictions (or whatever label you might put on the unpleasant cultural expectations and behaviors you decribed).  People hold Kerala up as an example, to say &quot;look, if they can succeed in keeping people healthy, literate, etc, at their level of resource use, we can too!&quot;. But can Kerala's success really work in less oppressive places too, or is somehow that a part of what makes it work there?

Thanks for these insights!

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I have no direct connections to India, and have only heard of Kerala in just the way you mentioned &#8212; as a highly-esteemed example of how a society can meet people&#8217;s basic needs while minimizing excess resource use.  There is never any discussion (that I have read) about what socio-cultural factors are at work in Kerala that might contribute to the accomplishments of the places but also be really unacceptable to other cultures.  You have brought up a really important concept!  I would be very interested in hearing whether you think that Kerala&#8217;s successes are somehow a result of their high levels of cultural and social restrictions (or whatever label you might put on the unpleasant cultural expectations and behaviors you decribed).  People hold Kerala up as an example, to say &#8220;look, if they can succeed in keeping people healthy, literate, etc, at their level of resource use, we can too!&#8221;. But can Kerala&#8217;s success really work in less oppressive places too, or is somehow that a part of what makes it work there?</p>
	<p>Thanks for these insights!</p>
	<p>Sue
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		<title>by: equa yona</title>
		<link>http://beancounter.blogsome.com/2008/06/18/kerala/#comment-493</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 19:04:18 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Well, glad to have you in the good ol' USofA, really truly sincerely.  I am a white male and generally have harsh, negative feelings about the eurocentricity and self-centered aggrandizement of USA folk.  Its good to hear a positive. Thanks. Love ya!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Well, glad to have you in the good ol&#8217; USofA, really truly sincerely.  I am a white male and generally have harsh, negative feelings about the eurocentricity and self-centered aggrandizement of USA folk.  Its good to hear a positive. Thanks. Love ya!
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		<title>by: Beany</title>
		<link>http://beancounter.blogsome.com/2008/06/18/kerala/#comment-492</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 16:09:07 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Oh...I'd love to know the reactions to the &quot;Black is Beautiful&quot; mockumentary. I know its not just an Indian (or a Chinese) thing. Apparently this is also present in Hispanic families (one of those actresses who is in one of those soaps(?) mentioned how she was frequently criticized by her family for having dark skin and dark hair. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Oh&#8230;I&#8217;d love to know the reactions to the &#8220;Black is Beautiful&#8221; mockumentary. I know its not just an Indian (or a Chinese) thing. Apparently this is also present in Hispanic families (one of those actresses who is in one of those soaps(?) mentioned how she was frequently criticized by her family for having dark skin and dark hair.
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		<title>by: Beany</title>
		<link>http://beancounter.blogsome.com/2008/06/18/kerala/#comment-491</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 15:52:10 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>SF: your comment made perfect sense.

Arduous: I did most of my growing up in a big city (complete with mini skirts/bars/internet cafes in the mid 90s/etc). I was referring to Kerala and the attitude I experienced. I know I shouldn't, but I get annoyed when people talk about how wonderful Kerala is. And I don't think it is. I would have liked to walk out by myself and take the bus by my self without having the wrath of societal expectations regarding the role a woman plays land on my head. Maybe the place has changed. Maybe its paradise on earth right now and I'm just being mean. 

The underlying concern with skin color seemed more to do with marriagability and how attractive any prospective babies would be coming from a dark person. Now that I'm happily married and could have all light skinned babies I want, will my skin color be forgiven? I mean...its not like I had any control over the number of melanocytes I was given (force feeding me tomatoes was certainly not going to fix that problem).The thing is I look back on my childhood and think about how cruel it was to say the things that were said to a young child. I think all children are beautiful..so how does one decide that one is better looking than another? How could anyone think to say such hurtful things to someone who is so mouldable? My reaction now is that these people should be kept far, far away from me.

CindyW: I have alot of self-hate issues that I am working on. Since I think being happy and loving yourself is the most important goal in life, its not worth sacrificing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>SF: your comment made perfect sense.</p>
	<p>Arduous: I did most of my growing up in a big city (complete with mini skirts/bars/internet cafes in the mid 90s/etc). I was referring to Kerala and the attitude I experienced. I know I shouldn&#8217;t, but I get annoyed when people talk about how wonderful Kerala is. And I don&#8217;t think it is. I would have liked to walk out by myself and take the bus by my self without having the wrath of societal expectations regarding the role a woman plays land on my head. Maybe the place has changed. Maybe its paradise on earth right now and I&#8217;m just being mean. </p>
	<p>The underlying concern with skin color seemed more to do with marriagability and how attractive any prospective babies would be coming from a dark person. Now that I&#8217;m happily married and could have all light skinned babies I want, will my skin color be forgiven? I mean&#8230;its not like I had any control over the number of melanocytes I was given (force feeding me tomatoes was certainly not going to fix that problem).The thing is I look back on my childhood and think about how cruel it was to say the things that were said to a young child. I think all children are beautiful..so how does one decide that one is better looking than another? How could anyone think to say such hurtful things to someone who is so mouldable? My reaction now is that these people should be kept far, far away from me.</p>
	<p>CindyW: I have alot of self-hate issues that I am working on. Since I think being happy and loving yourself is the most important goal in life, its not worth sacrificing.
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		<title>by: CindyW</title>
		<link>http://beancounter.blogsome.com/2008/06/18/kerala/#comment-490</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 14:38:48 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>My comment is largest unrelated in a sense of community. But I can draw some level of parallel. I have friends that are big shoppers and don't really care about the environment. But I still love them because they are passionate, generous, kind and funny. I also know a person who is as green as can be but is generally not easy to be with, because she is critical and judgemental. The way I see it, it is probably easier to influence my nice friends to be green than to turn a judgemental person kind.

So I totally understand where you are coming from - you have to be yourself foremost and love the people around you. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>My comment is largest unrelated in a sense of community. But I can draw some level of parallel. I have friends that are big shoppers and don&#8217;t really care about the environment. But I still love them because they are passionate, generous, kind and funny. I also know a person who is as green as can be but is generally not easy to be with, because she is critical and judgemental. The way I see it, it is probably easier to influence my nice friends to be green than to turn a judgemental person kind.</p>
	<p>So I totally understand where you are coming from - you have to be yourself foremost and love the people around you.
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		<title>by: arduous</title>
		<link>http://beancounter.blogsome.com/2008/06/18/kerala/#comment-489</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 13:39:21 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Beany, I think the cities in India have changed a lot in the past 10 years. I think there is still that attitude in the villages, and I'm not South Indian and I don't know Kerala at all. And I've heard (though maybe this is just North Indians being superior) that South Indians are more socially conservative than North Indians.

But anyway the cities I do know ... Bombay and Delhi, there has definitely been a huge shift in attitudes. People wear shorts on the streets. Not short shorts, but shorts. People wear jeans. Women seem to be allowed more freedoms. Of course Bombay and Delhi are not known for their low resource consumption!

The obsession with being white is a national obsession though. My SO who is Tamil was going to do a mockumentary interviewing people on the street asking them what they thought about the phrase &quot;Black is Beautiful.&quot; I'll have to ask him whatever happened to that project.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Beany, I think the cities in India have changed a lot in the past 10 years. I think there is still that attitude in the villages, and I&#8217;m not South Indian and I don&#8217;t know Kerala at all. And I&#8217;ve heard (though maybe this is just North Indians being superior) that South Indians are more socially conservative than North Indians.</p>
	<p>But anyway the cities I do know &#8230; Bombay and Delhi, there has definitely been a huge shift in attitudes. People wear shorts on the streets. Not short shorts, but shorts. People wear jeans. Women seem to be allowed more freedoms. Of course Bombay and Delhi are not known for their low resource consumption!</p>
	<p>The obsession with being white is a national obsession though. My SO who is Tamil was going to do a mockumentary interviewing people on the street asking them what they thought about the phrase &#8220;Black is Beautiful.&#8221; I&#8217;ll have to ask him whatever happened to that project.
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		<title>by: sfordinarygirl</title>
		<link>http://beancounter.blogsome.com/2008/06/18/kerala/#comment-488</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 13:18:33 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>In mainland China, white skin is prized also. I tan easily and so dark skin is normal for me. Most people were awfully rude and took guesses at what my background was by my skin color.

I would mind having to give up personality to live in a low resource community. It's your identity and who you are. Why would anyone want to trade that for less consumption living? I think you can keep your identity in a high resource consumption society by practicing what you believe. That doesn't make much sense but you get my point ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>In mainland China, white skin is prized also. I tan easily and so dark skin is normal for me. Most people were awfully rude and took guesses at what my background was by my skin color.</p>
	<p>I would mind having to give up personality to live in a low resource community. It&#8217;s your identity and who you are. Why would anyone want to trade that for less consumption living? I think you can keep your identity in a high resource consumption society by practicing what you believe. That doesn&#8217;t make much sense but you get my point &#8230;
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